Advisers react to Massow's trail rebate business

Author: Rahul Odedra
IFAonline | 05 Sep 2011 | 10:50

Categories: Better Business

Topics: trail commission| commission

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Industry reaction to ex-IFA Ivan Massow's latest venture, which aims to divert 'unfair' ongoing commission payments from advisers to consumers, veers from disdain to disbelief.

Paymemy.com will rebate 80% of ongoing commissions to customers, while keeping 20%.

Here's what some of our readers have been saying:

David Quarrell

Surely two "wrongs" don't make a right? how can he justify taking trail commission post RDR without offering ongoing service himself? Has he not just a one year window of opportunity and given the FSA's stance on positioning your business by taking more trail pre RDR I cannot see how the FSA would let him trade.

Ken Durkin

There was always this danger for IFAs who sacrificed initial for more trail commission.

Fraser Brydon

Not a very clever business model is it? He'll take a slice of the cake and do nowt for it...greed, pure and simple. Does our industry no favours at all.

Harry Katz

I wonder if the press articles or potential customers have any knowledge of how many times this ‘financial expert' has been bust, or how many 'off the wall' type ventures in which he has been involved. One thing always seems to stand out - he does well for himself and basks in the publicity. I wonder what happened to his political ambitions? Even aspiring to mix in those circles in itself speaks volumes!

Duncan Carter

This guy is always up to something. This is just another 'easy money' scheme which some will fall for. Give it a year!

Nick Bamford

Refunding commission to the client from a pension plan is an unauthorised payment and will result in a tax charge. HMRC may have something to say about this business plan

On Twitter

Damian Davies (@thetimebank)

IFAs who have strong relationships with their clients, whatever business model, should not fear Massow's new business-it's all about service

David Ferguson (@david_ferguson)

Massow idea looks v similar to moneyspider and IntelligentMoney. Guess there's scope for better execution.

Richard Allum (@TheParaplanner)

Massow not the only one after your trail moneyspider.com/nofee.asp

Stephanie Pickering (@stettip)

@TheParaplanner another not offering advice only info! If so called clients want to use these services they are not clients - let them go!

Stephanie Pickering (@stettip)

@TheParaplanner good to see they want to save people monies on pensions yet use an 0871 contact number charging 8p per minute!

Chris Budd (@ovationchris)

@thetimebank Not heard of it until yr tweet, just read up on it. A bit shoddy, IMHO. 'Up to 1.5%' - that's plain scaremongering

Mark Hughes (@MarkJHughes)

Ivan Massow, more a chancer than an entrepreneur.

Chris Budd (@ovationchris)

@thetimebank FSA have specifically said any regular income must pay for a service. His business is totally non RDR compliant

Martin Bamford (@martinbamford)

If you're an investor who receives no ongoing service in return for trail commission, simply move to a good IFA! #massow

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"Ex-IFA" says it all Looking for a fast buck outside of regulation.

Posted by: Adrian Shandley

05 Sep 2011 | 11:23
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Clients v Customers

I was boing to post this in my own name, then thought better of it so that Mr M cannot target mny customers. We provide an ongoing service to clients who pay a bery modest retainer and we then offset any historical trail against our fees. If people will not pay the very modest retainer, then we will not provide an ongoing service and because there was no agreement that trail was for ongoing service at the time, that is ours. This is only a very small proportion of our trail as the vast majority have chosen an ongoing service, so teh risk to us is very small. From our point of view if the agencyt is changed, then that adds weight to the argument for timebars and longstops to be applied if the ageny has changed, i.e. if the contract is more than 6 years old and the agency is then changed, surely, the individual should be timebarred 3 years after that as they have selected anotehr agent who is being paid to (in Mr Massows case) NOT advise going forward. How can we be legitamatelt be held responsibile for something where we are no longer agent?

Posted by: Nameless

05 Sep 2011 | 11:28
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Why?

I inherited a client from another IFA's client bank where the arrangement was that we were to refund 75% of the renewal commission as he made his own investment decisions. When he rang Standard Life to ask if there was a better way, they promptly transferred him to their direct agency and stopped taking renewal commission from his pension policy. So why would anyone need to pay 20% to someone who offers no service when they can just go to the provider directly? At least I provided several pointers to my "client" to tempt him to use us for regular financial reviews. However he preferred the 0.5% and good luck to him.

Posted by: MarkG

05 Sep 2011 | 12:01
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Excellent business model

Massow has hit on an excellent strategy that can be copied on to all other services. We can all rent hospital theaters and perform our own surgeries, visit pharmacies and order our own medicines, go to court and argue our own legal matters, rent a garage and repair our own cars and it goes on and on. No longer any need for doctors, lawyers, tax advisers, car mechanics, ... the list is endless. Great stuff this - it has really woken me up to the possibilities.

Posted by: CJ_51

05 Sep 2011 | 14:39
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